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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://acsdatacommunity.prb.org/utility/feedstylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Rationale for making comparisons using non-overlapping periods</title><link>https://acsdatacommunity.prb.org/discussion-forum/f/forum/650/rationale-for-making-comparisons-using-non-overlapping-periods</link><description> Hi ACS friends, 
 I&amp;#39;m trying to explain to some brilliant but non-ACS-knowledgeable coworkers and others why the recommended approach is to use *non-overlapping* periods when making comparisons over time. I&amp;#39;ve looked at the Census doc ( https://www.census</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 11</generator><item><title>RE: Rationale for making comparisons using non-overlapping periods</title><link>https://acsdatacommunity.prb.org/thread/1566?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2021 12:59:15 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3e86467a-1916-4e54-a922-55a4945229ec:91f0f75b-a0e6-4a42-a75d-28f20ddbb164</guid><dc:creator>Gretchen Gooding</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;A colleague suggested looking at this paper (&lt;a href="https://www.census.gov/library/working-papers/2012/adrm/rrs2012-03.html"&gt;https://www.census.gov/library/working-papers/2012/adrm/rrs2012-03.html&lt;/a&gt;).&amp;nbsp; There&amp;#39;s a short discussion about non-overlapping periods in section 4.4 on page 9.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Rationale for making comparisons using non-overlapping periods</title><link>https://acsdatacommunity.prb.org/thread/1565?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2021 01:07:01 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3e86467a-1916-4e54-a922-55a4945229ec:6bf5511f-7a7c-4412-ad62-5141cc45b399</guid><dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Here&amp;#39;s how I&amp;#39;d put it to a non-expert: 5-year estimates exist because that&amp;#39;s the time required to collect a sufficient number of survey responses (particularly in small areas like census tracts, ZCTAs, or small towns). The 5-year estimates in small areas generally already have high margins of error. Given how few responses there are in five years, looking at only one year&amp;#39;s worth of responses would give you very unreliable data. And (as you articulated), when comparing overlapping estimates, you&amp;#39;re effectively comparing only the non-overlapping years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For larger areas (states, CBSAs, big cities, big counties), you could just use the 1-year estimates; the reason you&amp;#39;d use the 5-year estimates is for their lower margins of error. By comparing overlapping years, you lose that advantage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;tl;dr: There&amp;#39;s a reason they&amp;#39;re 5-year estimates!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Rationale for making comparisons using non-overlapping periods</title><link>https://acsdatacommunity.prb.org/thread/1564?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2021 22:21:58 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3e86467a-1916-4e54-a922-55a4945229ec:ff0dc482-24fe-43bf-ac56-44001ebbfafb</guid><dc:creator>Matt Schroeder</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;The general ACS handbook does say that &amp;quot;these comparisons can be made with caution&amp;quot; (footnote 19 on p. 17 of&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2020/acs/acs_general_handbook_2020.pdf"&gt;https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2020/acs/acs_general_handbook_2020.pdf&lt;/a&gt;). I vaguely recall someone mentioning once that what you&amp;#39;re basically getting is the difference between the last year of the more recent dataset and the first year of the earlier dataset (so 2014 vs 2019, in your example).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As Todd G noted, the usual significance tests don&amp;#39;t work, but the Census Bureau used to provide a modification, which is multiplying the standard error of the&amp;nbsp;difference by&amp;nbsp;a factor that depends on the proportion of years that overlap. (Specifically, you subtract that proportion -- 4/5 = 0.8 in your example -- from 1 and take the square root.) I don&amp;#39;t know if the Census Bureau is still publishing that guidance, but it does appear in the 2013-vintage ACS documentation (&lt;a href="https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/acs/tech_docs/statistical_testing/2013StatisticalTesting3and5.pdf"&gt;https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/acs/tech_docs/statistical_testing/2013StatisticalTesting3and5.pdf&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So it&amp;#39;s doable, but I don&amp;#39;t know whether it&amp;#39;s desirable. You could easily imagine this being used as a &amp;quot;magic&amp;quot; way to make single-year comparisons for geographies without one-year estimates, but keep in mind:&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;That modification to the usual significance tests is an approximation of an approximation (as I understand it). So there&amp;#39;s more room for things to go awry.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;On average, the ACS samples about 2% of&amp;nbsp;households each year. In a census tract with 2,000 total households, that&amp;#39;s only ~40 households. So: even if&amp;nbsp;a change over time were statistically significant, I would hesitate to draw any firm conclusions about change between two years, especially if I&amp;#39;m looking at subgroups (for example, renter households, or households with Black householders).&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;m looking forward to seeing other responses as well!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;--Matt&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Rationale for making comparisons using non-overlapping periods</title><link>https://acsdatacommunity.prb.org/thread/1563?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2021 20:49:06 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3e86467a-1916-4e54-a922-55a4945229ec:7519a32a-b859-4d78-b365-be31f91be5ea</guid><dc:creator>Todd Graham</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Diana and Todd Z--&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div&gt;If you were comparing two separate time-periods, two datapoints at different times, then you would want to account for the statistical inference &amp;quot;margin of error&amp;quot; around the two estimate points. There&amp;#39;s a formula for this.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See the &amp;quot;Determining Statistical Significance&amp;quot; section (p 55) in the &amp;quot;Understanding and Using ACS Data&amp;quot; handbook&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2020/acs/acs_general_handbook_2020.pdf"&gt;https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2020/acs/acs_general_handbook_2020.pdf&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;But if the two time-periods are overlapping, this is the statisticians&amp;#39; equivalent of &amp;quot;double-dipping your chip&amp;quot; in the serving bowl. Some people will say &amp;quot;no big deal.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; Other people will condemn it as unmannered barbarism.&amp;nbsp; Not so much for germophobe reasons, but because the &amp;quot;double-dip&amp;quot; (the same survey cases being included in both the 2010-14 and 2014-18 estimates) makes the standard significance test invalid.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Bottom line: Do you want to be able to say something about statistical significance of the differences over time? (And does your audience include statisticians?)&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;--TG&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Rationale for making comparisons using non-overlapping periods</title><link>https://acsdatacommunity.prb.org/thread/1562?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2021 20:27:26 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3e86467a-1916-4e54-a922-55a4945229ec:aa1cf6ca-c0aa-4e05-82cd-9073b636655f</guid><dc:creator>Todd Zoblotsky</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;There are the following statements in the document &lt;a href="https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2018/acs/acs_general_handbook_2018.pdf"&gt;https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2018/acs/acs_general_handbook_2018.pdf:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;TIP: As shown in Figure 3.1, consecutive 5-year estimates&lt;br /&gt;contain 4 years of overlapping coverage (for&lt;br /&gt;example, the 2010&amp;ndash;2014 ACS 5-year estimates share&lt;br /&gt;sample data from 2011 through 2014 with the 2011&amp;ndash;&lt;br /&gt;2015 ACS 5-year estimates). Because of this overlap,&lt;br /&gt;users should use extreme caution in making comparisons&lt;br /&gt;with consecutive years of multiyear estimates.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;TIP: In general, ACS 1-year data are more likely to&lt;br /&gt;show year-to-year fluctuations, while consecutive&lt;br /&gt;5-year estimates are more likely to show a smooth&lt;br /&gt;trend, because 4 of the 5 years in the series overlap&lt;br /&gt;from one year to the next.&amp;quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;When using ACS 1-year data, these comparisons are&lt;br /&gt;generally straightforward. Using multiyear estimates to&lt;br /&gt;look at trends for small populations can be challenging&lt;br /&gt;because they rely on pooled data for 5 years. For&lt;br /&gt;example, comparisons of 5-year estimates from 2010&lt;br /&gt;to 2014 and 2011 to 2015 are unlikely to show much difference&lt;br /&gt;because four of the years overlap; both sets of&lt;br /&gt;estimates include the same data collected from 2011&lt;br /&gt;through 2014. The Census Bureau suggests comparing 5-year estimates that do not overlap&amp;mdash;for example, comparing&lt;br /&gt;2006&amp;ndash;2010 ACS 5-year estimates with 2011&amp;ndash;2015&lt;br /&gt;ACS 5-year estimates.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>